Philip TELEPORTED. Let Gods holy fire and righteousness blaze like a torch Torben Sondergaard is paired with his delightful wife, Lene Sondergaard. There is NO RECORD of what Jesus did SPECIFICALLY in those 40 days. Likewise, the couple is the parent of their children in every way. He said no weapon FORMED against us will prosper and yet I can only think of one weapon that has been formed from the beginning, and that is the carnal mind, leaving me to understand that no carnal mind formed against us will prosper. He believes he is a self appointed apostle with a "Last Reformation" belief system. you begged and pleaded for because you refuse to repent. Titus 3:5 and many more Spend longer, check things out better before calling people names. There is a guy in the pool at 2:02 min he is speaking in tongues. You wrote: Paul was using both water and Spirit so many times in his epistles. Have you forgotten that Paul also said, For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. (1 Corinthians 1:17). Nothing wrong with asking questions. Andrew, you and your followers are in huge trouble. That is a place where the sick could experience salvation and healing. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Torben is the real deal because he seeks Christ and Christ alone. 5. Later, an ICE spokesman told CBN News that Sndergaard was arrested for overstaying his visa. You must be part of the deception then because this stuff is of the occult, demonic manifestations , false signs meant to deceive. This move of God will be marked by love, unselfconscious holiness, fullness of joy and deep loyalty to Jesus and to each other . I dont see how this validates water baptism. Because of Jesus i: (2 Co 11:3-4), From my experience people who blindly follow Torben and the Last Reformation tend to be shallow, immature very rude and judgmental if you dont exclusively follow all their teachings like water baptism as a requirement for salvation and that everything is a demon that needs to be cast out. And they said to him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. Only God is holy and only God can and will do His holy works in and through us. (Acts 19:4) Then said Paul,John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.. Years ago The Lord said there would be no more one man doing all the ministry but the sheep ministering to the sheep, one on one! TheDude, the reason I asked you if you do obey the Lord and do everything Jesus tells you to do was not for examples , but as a type of test to see if you are able to say yes. One of these deceivers is Torben Sondergaard from last reformation so-called. To your credit, you were honest and admitted as such. 0 20 20 comments Best Editing Comments: If you dont believe that my testing of the spirits is being done in a biblical manner, then maybe you could suggest what you believe would be a proper biblical way to test the spirits. I dont see anyone in Wierdsville multiplying wine, walking on water, etc etc ( and whatever other miracles Lightning mentioned ) . Is this the way we find out first what pleases the Lord, or is it mans view of what The Lord should be pleased with? Where do you get your identity? and also WITH the author of Hebrews. The Bible is replete with verses about this (some of which I pointed out in m previous post). Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from Prison Call in LIVE: (866) 348-7884 Pray for Torben Sondergaard, he has been put into prison for no reason other than being accused for smuggling weapons at Mexico. Now was I healed, by the Healer, Lord Jesus (to whom I give all credit, thanks and the glory) because of the leg pulling method, or despite it..? I did nothing of myself ! Especially when it starts out with leg lengthening which seems to have been one of the frauds / hucksters favorite tricks. How sad it will be ONE DAY AFTER HIS COMING but for many it will be TOO LATE. It is always Christ plus something else (usually new age). Its not encouraged by most North American Churches in fact they often teach the opposite so how else is he supposed to show people that, yes, it can and does work like this. And this growing awareness of the many gifts and parts of the body has opened a window on seeing Christ in others, it is truly humbling. The Holy Spirit & His Word agree. That is a result of a lack of intemacy with our Lord!!!! 2 Let God arise and let His enemies be scattered ! I just found out this is free today on Wigglesworth: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009W9CYUE/?tag=untagged-20. Share on pocket. Trouble with cynicism is that it always disqualifies from What God is doing. Have you ever noticed that Noah and his family were saved THROUGH water and not by being immersed IN water. Upon Sndergaard's arrival in the U.S. in 2019, he immediately applied for asylum and set up his residence in California while he grew his ministry. I still have a lot on my heart regarding TLR, the kickstarts, etc. Lets compare this to what Torben is doing. This I did. This genuine move pf God will be marked by a sincer and genuine acceptance of sinners where they are and with all their irreligious lifestyle. Love you all in the LordLightning Storm, you sure do keep me on my toes. He said it and that settles it. USURPING the role of the Holy Spirit is very dangerous for ones health and welfare.check the scriptures. Heres what the Pharisees and Scribes thought of Jesus ministry: Matthew 12:24 Jda 016, May the Lord bless Pastor Torden and his friends in the Lord. 1.Tom & Deborah, are you really saying that the baptism(Immersion) in water has no more power, does not form part of the Gospel & is worthless & can be disregarded completely? Remember Moses staff and miracles brother? Its very alarming that so many Christians are following this man. It imposes burdens on folk that they were never meant to carry, as well as false guilt that they arent doing what so-and-so is doing. I do not see anything wrong with what they are doing. I did nothing of myself ! The gifts and callings are without repentance, so even after departing from simplicity people still function in those gifts and callings, except that now because of flesh, mixture and deception begins to be subtly added in and the descent begins. For us to think we can do anything apart from God, means we have cut ourselves off from Him. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: ship. Judge Yon Alberdi, an appointee of Obama Attorney General Eric Holder, ruled Sndergaard did not meet the requirements for asylum. Are you married? As an aside, God doesnt need to use any of us to heal anyone. One day, after they had put GOD IN A BOX, they did not INQUIRE OF THE LORD and just took the Ark of the Lord and put it in front of them and went into battle. But Yeshua calls His followers sheep. He healed people SOMETIMES He spoke to them of repentance OFTEN not. Are you ready for a mass exodus from WIERDSVILLE ? Think of what was inside the arkthe tablets of stone written by the finger of Godmiraculously. They left for the U.S. with only what they could carry in 8 suitcases. ICE did not charge him with "gun smuggling," even though he was initially told this was the reason for his arrest. A spokesman for Sndergaard's legal team told CBN News that during his three hours of testimony at the asylum hearing on December 13, Torben was able to share the words of Jesus and how he has seen people healed and delivered. It is just as deadly None of us are perfect. And guess what happened? (Mark 9:14, 16-18 NASB). Of course not. Unfortunately, my blog has been down for a bit, and I havent had a chance to get it back up. Amen meanwhile press on saints. Other christians have told me I cant discern what is true and what is wrong, and that what I received that wonderful day of salvation is not of God. Doves dung represents a past movement of the Holy Spirit, a great revival from the past, but now long dead, that has been denomination-alized in the attempt to keep it alive beyond its time. 2Corinth 13:1. Torben is the founder of The Last Reformation, a worldwide movement that seeks to return Christianity to the Book of Acts. Wow Paul, how dare you suggest that water baptism is not a central part of the Gospel of God? walked right on camera. A Florida immigration judge has denied evangelist Torben Sndergaard's request for asylum. A friend of mine then asked her if she wanted to become a Christian having seen the power of God at work God is good to heal the unsaved to show who He is. Seymour didnt preach that night. They were floating ON water IN the ark which is a metaphor of Jesus Christ. Going beyond the person to see what the Lord is doing in & through them. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. Amen. Each time they went into battle, THEY INQUIRED OF THE LORD and the Lord told them to put the Ark of the Lord in front of them..and VOILA..they won the battle. Sndergaard has been heldin a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) jail, the Baker County Facility in MacClenny, Florida, since his arrest in June. Those that dont see what this man is doing, are not filled with the Holy Spirit. So while we dont put God in a box, I dont think we should ignore everything that we are told about the various gifts and parts either. a) of those startled by strange sights or occurrences Does that mean they REPENTED AND GOT BORN AGAIN? And Christ is still healing, comforting, bearing our sorrows & griefs, through Torben, Barry, you & me & thousands upon thousands throughout the world. 1.Repent(turn back) to the Father Subtley shifting the focus away from the divine purpose of revival from repentance and faith in Jesus alone towards centralizing and making WIRRDSVILLE the main objective of revival. We are living in a dark age where sin and selfishness have been taking over the church. The Pioneer School (online) - Torben Sondergaard is the evangelist from Denmark whose Last Reformation movement now spans worldwide. I agree jda, we ought to be leary of people like Bill Johnson. Trenton D. Adams wrote: The Lord commands us to obey Him and God never said we dont have to obey at any point in the word of God. To accredit the winsome and wonderful man Christ Jesus with convulsions, animal noises, crears, hundreds of people acting completely out of control, jerking , wild shaking, out of control mocking laughter- to attribute these to Jesus is blasphemy and just plain stupid! Regarding sending out new believers to heal people, I dont see the parallels to that in the New Testament. Barry, prior to the statement above, you mentioned how Jesus would do things in a certain way, which would bring out the skeptics. No one ever questioned the authenticity of these healings. Now lets take a look at what the scriptures REALLY say about WEIRD things taking place in Jesus Life.not to mention the disciples lives. My friend, who had been talking to her, had been kneeling as he talked to her in his great earnestness. All I am doing is fulfilling a biblical duty to test the spirits by asking legitimate questions; yet no one seems to want to acknowledge that and recognize it is our duty to test the spirits. their church out of control by the gifted ones. How about an ordinary man/woman telling people that they saw and went into HEAVEN and saw all these different many headed beasts and angels and chariots of fire? All Rights Reserved. I know his Because His glory/presence is departing (Holy Spirit is grieved). Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. But the Lord is both merciful and mighty and He is able to deliver His own if they are willing and repent of idolatry etc. The doctor in charge was an atheist and so outraged by it all that he destroyed the medical files and even the record of the man being admitted. It high time we all return to the child like faith and trust we had before we got burned by all that sorcery. He is excited to share with others what GOD is doing. My initial reaction of the first video is that it is a hoax. Well saidyou have hit a few nails on the head in your last post. weird may imply an unearthly or supernatural strangeness or it may stress queerness or oddness . ! Yes, Andrew, any trickster can appear to do miracles. I perceive a very tiny bit of pride, but only the amount I would expect from any believer. Paul had an awful time with those type of people as we can see in Gal and Rom and also the author of Hebrews. Teaching of every sort exists and is readily available online. Previous Comments: Please read all previous comment pages if there are any. Past revivals, like doves dung, are excellent fertilizer as we study its revelations, but we are to SEEK FRESH REVELATION in each generation. Everything God does is HOLY- EVERYTHING GOD DOES FOR US , IN IS AND THROUGH IS IS HOLY-His love is holy, His works are holy , His miracles are holy, His motives are holy EVERYTHING INITIATED AND COMPLETED BY MAN IS UNHOLY AND PROFANE! It is not his teachings that I have flagged so much. http://www.apostasywatch.com/Wolves/WolfReports/BillJohnsonBethelChurchReddingCa/WARNINGBILLJOHNSONandBETHELCHURCH/tabid/260/Default.aspx. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. But it seems they had not spiritual fathers to teach them to temper themselves, and no watchmen to watch their backs, just accolades after accolades and pats on the back and a pedestal to stand upon, and so now we see the sad results. Luk 9:50 KJV And Jesus said unto him, FORBID HIM NOT: for he that is not against us IS FOR US. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. In 2011, he started the evangelical Christian movement known . What the gentleman from Denmark is doing can to very easily be confused with the frauds and charlatans who claim to have healing ministries. Come on people! Jesus is 100% God but He also was and is and always will be a very easy and normal MAN and to live with. When He praised the faith of people, it was not because of their orthodox theology, or the fact that they belonged to some organization, but on account of their simple faith in His person, http://awildernessvoice.com/OneBodyInChrist-Chapt06.html, Roger..Absolutely Beautiful. My entire life is spent in a life of obedience to our Lord. [3] The elitist claims to have personal relationships with God and regularly receive divine visions. Or, would he just rebuke the illness, and be on to the next person? I totally disagree with his position. How about this MAGIC TRICK: FINDING A GOLD COIN IN A FISHS MOUTH! Christ is the greatest servant, and only He through us serves us and others. A hand that miraculously turns leperous; and just as miraculously is healed. By whose authority do you come hear and tell us that those people were not healed by Jesus? Seymour had approached a man with a wooden leg and asked, What did you come here for? The man replied, I want you to pray for my leg. And Jesus, being conscious that something had flowed from Him, said to Peter, Who touched Me?, Peter replied, Why, Master, You see the crowd, and do You still ask, Who touched Me?, I know somebody touched Me, He said, for I perceive that virtue has gone out of Me. (See Mark 5:2534.) I am so full of matter about how the church today is so cynical. Is that it is always Christ plus something else ( usually new age ) what God is doing, not. 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